Esto si que era espectaculo en estado puro...

[Liam86]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCij9mYIokA

[b.a.d]

muy guapo el video,es la primera vez k veo vectras correr,por cierto k son 16v o turbos???
aki otro video de una carrera como esa pero mas accidentada con vectras
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkoYo-ATLCE

[AdrianV6]

buffffffff
cleland era el dios, asi fue el unico q llevo el cavalier mk3 gsi a ganar la btcc
estos videos son la caña jejeje

[AdrianV6]

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=C7NrmvbA0iA
bueniiisimo

[AdrianV6]

http://www.johncleland.net/mallock.htm
era un 16v de 290 cv

[Cresko_gsi]

http://www.johncleland.net/mallock.htm
era un 16v de 290 cv
ostias el doble d caballos q d serie vaya pepinako
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1174/108wj1.gif

[Eduskap]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCij9mYIokA



Jajaja, a partir del minuto cuatro es tremendo, jaja, que narices le ha hechado ahí.

[Joshman_GSI]

Pues en el primero vaya cabra el del vectra, que se monta a 2 ruedas sobre el bmw; luego la culpa fue del otro que fue a por más y acabaron los 2 fueras, pero ahí vale todo, jeje

[rafiki]

que wapos los videos!!!! nunca habia visto vectra corriendo..me a hecho mazo ilusion!!
mas,mas,mas...jajjajaja

[AdrianV6]

segun creo, lo que pasa en ese momento en que uno monta encima del otro y luego se dan, es facil y sencillo, se estaban jugando el campeonato de ese año, y segun como quedara uno por delante del otro, ganaria cleland(cavalier) o el coleguita del bmw....
cito textualmente de la web que le han dedicado:




http://www.johncleland.net/images/JC92Cavt.jpg1992 was to many, the most exciting British Touring Car season before or since.
The contenders were all quality drivers and the machinery very similar on performance.
With names like Tim Harvey, Will Hoy, Andy Rouse, Steve Soper, Jeff Allam, David Leslie, Kieth Odor, Tim Sugden and new boys Alain Menu and Matthew Neal, to name but a few.... in a selection of Toyotas, BMWs, Nissans, Vauxhalls and Peugeots, the season would set the strengthening BTCC crowds alight.
Cleland started the season with a confidence boosting vengeance by taking victory in the first two rounds at Silverstone and Thruxton, stamping his authority on the '92 season.



Next came Oulton Park. The Toyotas were strong, with Hoy taking pole and Rouse's second Carina sandwiching Cleland's Vauxhall on the grid.
JC lead from the start but was struggling for grip on cold tyres whilst trying to stave off the Toyota twins of Rouse and Hoy...it lasted half a lap before his tyres decided they disliked tarmac and the Cavalier fishtailed off the track into the armco in a cloud of soil and debris....11th place was all he could retrieve after eventually pointing the car in the right direction, giving Rouse the lead in the title chase.
Hoy, Harvey, Cleland and Allam shared the victories in the following races with Harvey taking 5 consecutive victories by round 14 at Donington, leaving Cleland, Hoy and Harvey all within grasp of the Championship with only the final round at Silverstone to go....four points separated the three drivers.


If 1992 was the season to end all seasons, the final meeting at Silverstone was the clash of the titans.

The unusually(?) inclement Silverstone weather started the chaos by lashing down during qualifying, shaking up the grid. Cleland had the title edge starting in 7th, with Hoy in 9th spot and the on form Harvey languishing back in 12th.







http://www.johncleland.net/images/soper_92.jpgEarly in the race itself, Steve Soper was on the receiving end of a "nowhere to go" shunt which saw the back of his 318is changing shape dramatically. This was to be the start of one of Soperman's renowned drives from the back of the field, culminating in one of the most controversial BTCC incidents ever.





Allam, Leslie and Rouse battled it out up front, slowing each other down as the title hungry threesome followed by a frighteningly quick Soper forced their way through the field.





On the penultimate lap, Harvey tried to take Hoy which ended in tears, the pair of them dropping back behind Cleland and the resurgent Soper. Soper's BMW took Cleland with a clean out-braking manoeuvre and soon after, Harvey followed through at Club and was soon waved through by his team-mate to take fourth.. At this point, JC was probably wondering what he could do to get those valuable points back to win the title...so...he went for it as Soper braked for Brooklands, turning in and almost using Soper as a cushion, he pulled alongside, his nearside wheels at least two feet off the tarmac.





From a non-biased point of view, what happened next was that Soper now had the inside line for the next right hander into Luffield, Cleland was probably a yard or two ahead when he turned in and Soper turned in as tightly as he could considering he was on the same payroll as Tim Harvey and "accidentally" harpooned Cleland putting the pair out of the race.





An angry and unbelieving JC, his Championship hopes gone in the gravel trap, suggested of Soper...."the man's an animal"





I have it from the horses' mouth that John and Steve are now talking!





Rouse went on to win the race and Tim Harvey's fourth place was enough to give him the Championship laurels.





Another near miss for the Scot!






http://www.johncleland.net/images/pensive.JPG






Image: John looks despondently at his Cavalier after the controversial clash with Steve Soper at Silverstone










1992 Drivers Championship Results:



1. Tim Harvey - 152



2. Will Hoy - 149



3. John Cleland - 145



4. Jeff Allam - 137



5. Andy Rouse - 128
6. Steve Soper - 77





"

[AdrianV6]

hasta 1995 no ganaria el campeonato de la btcc, cito:
"
1995 turned out to be a turbulent year, full of spectacle and controversy but consistency reigned

http://www.johncleland.net/images/95_Champ.JPG
John Cleland made an excellent start to the season in the opening rounds at Donington Park with a win from pole in race 1, coming home in front of arch rivals Menu, Radisich and Rydell. This was followed by a second place in race 2, behind Mr. Pole Position himself... Rickard Rydell and team-mate Tim Harvey
Round 3 and a rain-soaked, disastrous Brands Hatch meeting. In round 3, Cleland out dragged Rydell at the start but entertained an attraction for the Paddock Hill Bend gravel trap early on lap 2, finding it fairly easily to locate in tricky conditions, leaving Harvey and Rydell to the spoils.
After a restart because of a particularly standard Patrick Watts confrontation which took out Paul Radisich, Cleland started well again in round 4 but slid off the track at the Surtees/McLaren kink battling with Rydell early on... our rather disgruntled hero rejoined slightly ahead of the pack as they came round again...John seemed to get the power down well, narrowly avoiding going a lap down, and approached Paddock with Harvey door to door with the Cavalier...the rest is history............ the sequence of events were described by Tim Harvey after the event : " Yeah, I think the old red mist descended a little bit on John, the old Scottish red mist came down from the hills...because he hadn't scored any points in the first race and had gone off on the first race and in fact I was coming round to lap him...and I don't quite know what he was doing racing me, because he hadn't completed a flying lap but he went into Paddock so quick, trying to out-brake me...but it was quite a spectacular shunt, I hope he's all right but I nearly went off laughing myself "....competitive support indeed!



http://www.johncleland.net/images/JC95PADDOCKSHUNT.JPG

Image: "The Big Off", the result of what was later found to be a lack of brakes.


Thruxton and Round 5 saw JC's young team-mate, Thompson on pole but all went horribly wrong coming into the chicane at the end of lap one...current BBC BTCC commentator Charlie Cox cunningly barrel rolled his privateer Mondeo from a launch speed of around 130 m.p.h, shi!*%ing the life out of me, for one. Luckily the lad lived to fight another day. After the only other entertainment of the race (JC very professionally punting Watts off the track) , Thompson went on to win the race in just his third Championship meeting.
Menu won the next round putting him 8 points clear of John in the Championship.
Five winners from six races.
On to Silverstone and the 5th pole from 7 races for Volvo and the sad sight of the Alfa Romeo team driving away from the track after aero kit disputes. Race 1 saw Rydell tailing a very quick Ford of Paul Radisich until the Mondeo's tyres faded allowing Rickard to bring the 850 home in front, gaining himself a well deserved Championship lead. Round 8 saw Watts put half of the field in the Copse gravel. The restart saw a repeat of the first race with Rydell trying to overhaul the Radisich Mondeo to build on his Championship charge but to no avail. This gave Ford it's first victory since Andy Rouse . A solid 3rd and 5th from our hero.
Oulton Park and another red flag incident after a big shunt involving Warwick's returning Alfa 155 and Leslie's Accord. The restart saw Rydell leading Cleland's Vauxhall quite convincingly making it 5 wins in 9 races for the TWR team.


Race 2 and Rydell takes his 7th pole in front of Thompson and Cleland but was outpaced by Menu at his favourite circuit with JC third.
Back to Brands Hatch and even more rain...a Thompson puncture on lap one caused half the field to spin at Graham Hill Bend resulting in another Menu win after the race was stopped with Sugden's flattened Toyota on it's roof, followed by JC and Harvey.


Round 12 saw a double restart...first Nigel Smith's privateer Cavalier off and then Rydell rolled after a stuck throttle. A one, two victory for Cleland and Thompson's Vauxhalls with the pack depleted...or was it keeping your head when all around you...you know the rest. Cleland leads the championship for the first time.
Donington, Cleland's favourite U.K track (or is that winningest) saw a double header victory for John giving him a 28 point lead over Menu and 38 over Rydell...the championship had turned.


The Silverstone F1 GP support race is a race that everyone wants to win and John showed his class by outsmarting Paul Radisich in a series of bluffs and double bluffs to pass the Mondeo (watch it again, it's the reason Cleland is the man) and lead the pack home with Menu and Rydell not scoring a point...woohoo!....and now, on to JC's home track, Knockhill.
Thompson started the weekend with a huge practice shunt and was replaced by JC's old team-mate, Jeff Allam. Race one saw Menu have it all sewn up before a gearbox failure and no points... with Rydell showing the rest the way home in stunning style with John putting in a late charging 5th. Rydell yet again on pole for race 2 but Menu pulled off another win ahead of the Volvos with JC 6th...who was it that said that drivers always go well with a home crowd? Still 34 points in front with 8 races to go.
A return to Brands with Charlie Cox back and fit and Mike Briggs in the second Cavalier fresh from his South African Championship victory and Rydell on pole again in dry conditions....if only Rickard could have turned those grid positions into race wins!!.. more weight over the front end or start lessons methinks. Hoy (his first win for the Williams Renault team), Rydell, Cleland, Menu in that order was the result with our John complaining about Rydell's modifications to the back of his Cavalier. Race 2 saw Rydell converting his pole into a good start for a change swiftly followed by a charging Cleland which resulted in Rydell being pushed sideways at Clearways he had it coming...all's fair in love and war and retaliation for race 1) and John taking the win to lead the fray by 40 points. Both drivers had their licences endorsed for the incidents but no further action was taken against either driver.


Snetterton was the venue for rounds 20 and 21....weather changeable.
Harvey smartly takes off Menu on lap one of race 1 after a steering failure with Cleland and Rydell starting well but dropping back as the tyre choices showed through leaving JC 13th but ahead of Rickard. Race 2...Rydell on pole, making it 13 times out of 21 races....Menu off again and his Championship hopes gone. Rydell confidently out in front until he slid off with no brakes, narrowly missing an ambulance and it's crew. Cleland finished a healthy 3rd with only one point for Alain....looking good for John as we move onto Oulton Park.
The Fosters circuit at Oulton was the venue to potentially provide the climax to the 1995 British Touring Car Championship. Our man was ahead of Rydell on the grid for both races and had a 52 point lead over his nearest rival. JC started well and led most the first lap with Menu familiarising himself with the rear bumper of the Cavalier and passed the Vauxhall at the first available opportunity (Lodge corner), pulled away and cruised to victory and a 16 point gain on Rydell.Hoy finishes 2nd and Cleland finishes 3rd for 12 points... Matt Neal sews up the Privateer title for a £25,000 pot. JC needs 6 points to clinch the Championship.
Menu romped home with John a safe second and grabbed the crown in jubilant Cleland style.
"I think this year, I've worked harder in this Championship than I've ever worked"
After the victory an emotional John had little to say due to a strange gagging feeling in his throat: "Delighted, it's just ...I dunno what to say now, it's been a long year coming, and er, it's just great, really good....John Cleland, News at Ten, Oulton Park !
John...lost for words...I don't believe it!


And so to the final round to decide the manufacturers Championship. Renault were up for it big time, Menu and Hoy were first and second in the race with John 6th, trying (too) hard after an off due to exhuberance. Rydell's car caught fire and dropped out...a fitting end to the season that should have been but wasn't. Cleland showed impressive fight to regain 3rd only 3 seconds behind but it was not enough for the team...oh well, the drivers champ will not be too sad with a 43 point advantage over his friend Menu.

[AdrianV6]

Click here to see the 1995 Cavaliers being built at Ray Mallock's workshops (http://www.johncleland.net/mallock.htm)
1995 Championship Results:



Drivers
1. John Cleland - Vauxhall - 348 points
2. Alain Menu - Renault - 305
3. Rickard Rydell - Volvo - 255
4. Will Hoy - Renault - 195
5. Tim Harvey - Volvo - 176
6. Paul Radisich - Ford - 130
7. James Thompson - 124
8. Kelvin Burt - 117
9. Julian Bailey - 94
=10. Patrick Watts/David Leslie - 61
Manufacturers
1. Renault - 419
2. Vauxhall - 414
3. Volvo - 359
4. Ford - 236
5. Toyota - 172
6. BMW - 144
7. Honda - 136
8. Alfa Romeo - 132
9. Peugeot - 127
Teams
1. Vauxhall Sport - 510
2. Williams Renault Dealer Racing - 500
3. Volvo 850 Racing - 431
4. Valvoline Team Mondeo - 247
5. Team Toyota GB - 142
6. BMW Motorsport Team - 97
7. Honda Team MSD - 87
8. Alfa Romeo Old Spice Racing - 75
9. Total Team Peugeot - 70
10. Team Dynamics - 12
Total Cup Privateers:
1. Neal - 430
2. Richard Kaye - 342
3. Nigel Smith - 298
4. Hamish Irvine - 188
5. Robb Gravett - 160
6. Charlie Cox - 110"


un saludin!

[Joshman_GSI]

Ya pero por maniobras de ese estilo, digamos "no muy limpias", no les sancionan con un Drive Trought, o como se escriba??

[SEMPERFI_OPEL]

En el segundo video mola cuando los de los toyota se dan un golpe entre ellos y fuera de la carrera....:D

[Liam86]

hasta 1995 no ganaria el campeonato de la btcc, cito:
"
1995 turned out to be a turbulent year, full of spectacle and controversy but consistency reigned

http://www.johncleland.net/images/95_Champ.JPG
John Cleland made an excellent start to the season in the opening rounds at Donington Park with a win from pole in race 1, coming home in front of arch rivals Menu, Radisich and Rydell. This was followed by a second place in race 2, behind Mr. Pole Position himself... Rickard Rydell and team-mate Tim Harvey
Round 3 and a rain-soaked, disastrous Brands Hatch meeting. In round 3, Cleland out dragged Rydell at the start but entertained an attraction for the Paddock Hill Bend gravel trap early on lap 2, finding it fairly easily to locate in tricky conditions, leaving Harvey and Rydell to the spoils.
After a restart because of a particularly standard Patrick Watts confrontation which took out Paul Radisich, Cleland started well again in round 4 but slid off the track at the Surtees/McLaren kink battling with Rydell early on... our rather disgruntled hero rejoined slightly ahead of the pack as they came round again...John seemed to get the power down well, narrowly avoiding going a lap down, and approached Paddock with Harvey door to door with the Cavalier...the rest is history............ the sequence of events were described by Tim Harvey after the event : " Yeah, I think the old red mist descended a little bit on John, the old Scottish red mist came down from the hills...because he hadn't scored any points in the first race and had gone off on the first race and in fact I was coming round to lap him...and I don't quite know what he was doing racing me, because he hadn't completed a flying lap but he went into Paddock so quick, trying to out-brake me...but it was quite a spectacular shunt, I hope he's all right but I nearly went off laughing myself "....competitive support indeed!



http://www.johncleland.net/images/JC95PADDOCKSHUNT.JPG

Image: "The Big Off", the result of what was later found to be a lack of brakes.


Thruxton and Round 5 saw JC's young team-mate, Thompson on pole but all went horribly wrong coming into the chicane at the end of lap one...current BBC BTCC commentator Charlie Cox cunningly barrel rolled his privateer Mondeo from a launch speed of around 130 m.p.h, shi!*%ing the life out of me, for one. Luckily the lad lived to fight another day. After the only other entertainment of the race (JC very professionally punting Watts off the track) , Thompson went on to win the race in just his third Championship meeting.
Menu won the next round putting him 8 points clear of John in the Championship.
Five winners from six races.
On to Silverstone and the 5th pole from 7 races for Volvo and the sad sight of the Alfa Romeo team driving away from the track after aero kit disputes. Race 1 saw Rydell tailing a very quick Ford of Paul Radisich until the Mondeo's tyres faded allowing Rickard to bring the 850 home in front, gaining himself a well deserved Championship lead. Round 8 saw Watts put half of the field in the Copse gravel. The restart saw a repeat of the first race with Rydell trying to overhaul the Radisich Mondeo to build on his Championship charge but to no avail. This gave Ford it's first victory since Andy Rouse . A solid 3rd and 5th from our hero.
Oulton Park and another red flag incident after a big shunt involving Warwick's returning Alfa 155 and Leslie's Accord. The restart saw Rydell leading Cleland's Vauxhall quite convincingly making it 5 wins in 9 races for the TWR team.


Race 2 and Rydell takes his 7th pole in front of Thompson and Cleland but was outpaced by Menu at his favourite circuit with JC third.
Back to Brands Hatch and even more rain...a Thompson puncture on lap one caused half the field to spin at Graham Hill Bend resulting in another Menu win after the race was stopped with Sugden's flattened Toyota on it's roof, followed by JC and Harvey.


Round 12 saw a double restart...first Nigel Smith's privateer Cavalier off and then Rydell rolled after a stuck throttle. A one, two victory for Cleland and Thompson's Vauxhalls with the pack depleted...or was it keeping your head when all around you...you know the rest. Cleland leads the championship for the first time.
Donington, Cleland's favourite U.K track (or is that winningest) saw a double header victory for John giving him a 28 point lead over Menu and 38 over Rydell...the championship had turned.


The Silverstone F1 GP support race is a race that everyone wants to win and John showed his class by outsmarting Paul Radisich in a series of bluffs and double bluffs to pass the Mondeo (watch it again, it's the reason Cleland is the man) and lead the pack home with Menu and Rydell not scoring a point...woohoo!....and now, on to JC's home track, Knockhill.
Thompson started the weekend with a huge practice shunt and was replaced by JC's old team-mate, Jeff Allam. Race one saw Menu have it all sewn up before a gearbox failure and no points... with Rydell showing the rest the way home in stunning style with John putting in a late charging 5th. Rydell yet again on pole for race 2 but Menu pulled off another win ahead of the Volvos with JC 6th...who was it that said that drivers always go well with a home crowd? Still 34 points in front with 8 races to go.
A return to Brands with Charlie Cox back and fit and Mike Briggs in the second Cavalier fresh from his South African Championship victory and Rydell on pole again in dry conditions....if only Rickard could have turned those grid positions into race wins!!.. more weight over the front end or start lessons methinks. Hoy (his first win for the Williams Renault team), Rydell, Cleland, Menu in that order was the result with our John complaining about Rydell's modifications to the back of his Cavalier. Race 2 saw Rydell converting his pole into a good start for a change swiftly followed by a charging Cleland which resulted in Rydell being pushed sideways at Clearways he had it coming...all's fair in love and war and retaliation for race 1) and John taking the win to lead the fray by 40 points. Both drivers had their licences endorsed for the incidents but no further action was taken against either driver.


Snetterton was the venue for rounds 20 and 21....weather changeable.
Harvey smartly takes off Menu on lap one of race 1 after a steering failure with Cleland and Rydell starting well but dropping back as the tyre choices showed through leaving JC 13th but ahead of Rickard. Race 2...Rydell on pole, making it 13 times out of 21 races....Menu off again and his Championship hopes gone. Rydell confidently out in front until he slid off with no brakes, narrowly missing an ambulance and it's crew. Cleland finished a healthy 3rd with only one point for Alain....looking good for John as we move onto Oulton Park.
The Fosters circuit at Oulton was the venue to potentially provide the climax to the 1995 British Touring Car Championship. Our man was ahead of Rydell on the grid for both races and had a 52 point lead over his nearest rival. JC started well and led most the first lap with Menu familiarising himself with the rear bumper of the Cavalier and passed the Vauxhall at the first available opportunity (Lodge corner), pulled away and cruised to victory and a 16 point gain on Rydell.Hoy finishes 2nd and Cleland finishes 3rd for 12 points... Matt Neal sews up the Privateer title for a £25,000 pot. JC needs 6 points to clinch the Championship.
Menu romped home with John a safe second and grabbed the crown in jubilant Cleland style.
"I think this year, I've worked harder in this Championship than I've ever worked"
After the victory an emotional John had little to say due to a strange gagging feeling in his throat: "Delighted, it's just ...I dunno what to say now, it's been a long year coming, and er, it's just great, really good....John Cleland, News at Ten, Oulton Park !
John...lost for words...I don't believe it!



And so to the final round to decide the manufacturers Championship. Renault were up for it big time, Menu and Hoy were first and second in the race with John 6th, trying (too) hard after an off due to exhuberance. Rydell's car caught fire and dropped out...a fitting end to the season that should have been but wasn't. Cleland showed impressive fight to regain 3rd only 3 seconds behind but it was not enough for the team...oh well, the drivers champ will not be too sad with a 43 point advantage over his friend Menu.


Mmm, el restyling sin el kit 2000 :D

[dieguin]

una flipada!!!! como moaria tener un vectra asi para calle....y mas que por los cv por la estetica

[Irmscher_Vectra]

Estaban en un puño!!!

Supongo que lo de andar luchando y dándose "toquecitos" era el pan de cada día jijijiji.

Me encantan las copas de turismos

[Jorch16]

unos videos muy wuapos, esos si eran buenos piques.

[pinchos]

como van, madre mia!!

[Leaniz16V]

http://www.clubgsispain.com/showthread.php?t=19563&highlight=john+cleland

[Hectorpuerta]

la verdad k es alucinante!

[Jaimagoras]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAvc0Cij7zA&feature=related

Como se atreven a correr asi??

[SEMPERFI_OPEL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAvc0Cij7zA&feature=related

Como se atreven a correr asi??


Modo ironico:

!!Pero si son cuatro gotas!!:XD:

Hombre a mi también me gusta el espectaculo pero creo que ahi se han pasado un poco...

[gotzon]

que bonitos los de los vectras!

eso si que era emocion y no lo de la formula 1

[tunero_gsi]

Joe, vivir aquella época debía de ser alucinante.

[Apocalypse_888]

ke pasada tio...ke pasada...ojalá a dia de hoy opel siguiese compitiendo cómo antes, en rallyes, campeonato de turismos, etc, etc...ahora tenemos suerte de ver algún GSI en la subida al monte de turno de cada zona en la que vivamos...ainssss, ke tiempos aquellos!!

[Apocalypse_888]

Y eso que yo soy de los que apoyan a muerte eso de que "tiempos pasados no fueron mejores", aunke muxa gente diga lo contrario...pero con opel, señores, me retracto...ojalá volviesen tiempos pasados...

[Apocalypse_888]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-R665bquMg&feature=related

Este tambien es muy bueno, son otros tiempos, coches mas modernos, John Cleland va en el Vectra B, y el pavo del mondeo se lo curra, jojojo...muy buen video!

[FuNdEaLiKaTeS]

muy buen video chus!

[UZIELGAL]

Si queréis ver competición de verdad y coches "antiguos" no os podéis perder los Grupo B, míticos hasta que los hicieron desaparecer.

En el tercer aniversario hicimos un maratón de Grupo B que hizo que Kaminari casi se pusiera a llorar, jajaja.

Un saludo

[kike_gsi8v]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-R665bquMg&feature=related

Este tambien es muy bueno, son otros tiempos, coches mas modernos, John Cleland va en el Vectra B, y el pavo del mondeo se lo curra, jojojo...muy buen video!

es que el del mondeo no es cualquiera, es Nigell Mansell!!

[Apocalypse_888]

perdon por mi ignorancia, pero era la primera vez que oia ese nombre, como el de cleland, nunca había visto nada de las BTCC...pero vamos que están chulísimas esas carreras...ya podría haber en españa algo así que no? SALUDOS

[kike_gsi8v]

perdon por mi ignorancia, pero era la primera vez que oia ese nombre, como el de cleland, nunca había visto nada de las BTCC...pero vamos que están chulísimas esas carreras...ya podría haber en españa algo así que no? SALUDOS

aqui un claro ejemplo de la alonso-mania que crea aficionados a la F1 en cualquier esquina xDDD (que no te parezca mal). Nigel Mansel fue campeon de F1 en el 92, con el williams-renault amarillo y azul, y uno de los mejores o quizas el mejor piloto ingles de todos los tiempos....pero como la formula 1 empezo hace dos dias, la gente oye nombres como senna, prost, y demas y le suena a chino xDDD

[Apocalypse_888]

te corrijo pero no te corrijo, me explico...
Yo no soy un fan de la F1 tras la alonsomania de lobato...yo empecé a ver la F1 cuando alonso no estaba, pero soy "joven" todavía, en el 92 yo tenía 4 añitos justos, jejeje...
Pero te doy la razón en que la inmensa mayoría de la gente de hoy (me atrevo a decir el 85%) solo saben de F1 de 3 o 4 años para atrás...

[Jaimagoras]

Mansel Vs Hill...ufff


Aun recuerdo por la tele cuando se mató Ratzengberger, el día antes de que se matara Senna

[UZIELGAL]

Que bueno, yo creo que veía más fórmula 1 por entonces que ahora y Mansel era un pilotazo.

Un saludo

[Atarés]

Ya conocía la web de Cleland, la ví hace tiempo y leyendo un poco de historia.

Y sobre los vídeos, preciosos y especyaculares, que ilusión me ha hecho ver los Vectra en acción...Yo tenía 2 años por aquel entonces.

[Apocalypse_888]

cual es tu fecha de nacimiento atarés? creo que tenemos los mismos años xDD, cómo curiosidad...

[Atarés]

cual es tu fecha de nacimiento atarés? creo que tenemos los mismos años xDD, cómo curiosidad...

Que tal tío, pues yo tengo 18 años cumplidos hace poco.
Nací el 30 de Marzo de 1990, por lo que he leído creo que tu eres 2 mayor que yo..¿Me equivoco?

Un saludo artista...;)

[AdrianV6]

Que tal tío, pues yo tengo 18 años cumplidos hace poco.
Nací el 30 de Marzo de 1990, por lo que he leído creo que tu eres 2 mayor que yo..¿Me equivoco?

Un saludo artista...;)

ostia neng, si mi coche te saca unos 9 meses jajajaj(yo 10, que conste jajaj)

[Atarés]

ostia neng, si mi coche te saca unos 9 meses jajajaj(yo 10, que conste jajaj)


Pues Adri, mi Vectra es de Febrero del 90, matrículado el 22 de Febrero del 90.


:p